{"id":10549,"date":"2022-05-18T03:03:00","date_gmt":"2022-05-18T09:03:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.expertinhope.com\/?p=10549"},"modified":"2022-05-17T05:39:08","modified_gmt":"2022-05-17T11:39:08","slug":"s10-08-finding-the-courage-to-take-action-with-dr-sweta-chawla","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.expertinhope.com\/s10-08-finding-the-courage-to-take-action-with-dr-sweta-chawla\/","title":{"rendered":"S10 | 08 &#8211; Finding the Courage to Take Action with Dr. Sweta Chawla"},"content":{"rendered":"\t\t<div data-elementor-type=\"wp-post\" data-elementor-id=\"10549\" class=\"elementor elementor-10549\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-13a615e3 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"13a615e3\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-52289488\" data-id=\"52289488\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-12e0f1c2 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"12e0f1c2\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t<style>\/*! elementor - v3.21.0 - 25-04-2024 *\/\n.elementor-widget-text-editor.elementor-drop-cap-view-stacked .elementor-drop-cap{background-color:#69727d;color:#fff}.elementor-widget-text-editor.elementor-drop-cap-view-framed .elementor-drop-cap{color:#69727d;border:3px solid;background-color:transparent}.elementor-widget-text-editor:not(.elementor-drop-cap-view-default) .elementor-drop-cap{margin-top:8px}.elementor-widget-text-editor:not(.elementor-drop-cap-view-default) .elementor-drop-cap-letter{width:1em;height:1em}.elementor-widget-text-editor .elementor-drop-cap{float:left;text-align:center;line-height:1;font-size:50px}.elementor-widget-text-editor .elementor-drop-cap-letter{display:inline-block}<\/style>\t\t\t\t<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Dr. Sweta Chawla planned out her future, worked hard, and for a decade she had a career that she loved. But eventually, she began asking herself if there was something more she could be doing.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Following that curiosity and seeking deeper fulfillment led her to a huge, unexpected life and career transition. It wasn\u2019t a perfect transition, but it brought back the passion and meaning she felt had been lacking in her previous career.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Today, Dr. Sweta teaches us how we can find the courage to take action and move forward, even when we\u2019re not sure how it will work out in the end. She shares tons of tips and questions we can use to self-reflect and determine what it is that really drives us and gives us joy, as well as how we can decide on what values are important to us and our lifestyle.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Listen in!<\/span><\/p>\n<p><iframe src=\"https:\/\/player.simplecast.com\/297f4be1-eefe-4778-8f23-01ff18628517?dark=false\" width=\"100%\" height=\"200px\" frameborder=\"no\" scrolling=\"no\" seamless=\"\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<h2><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">About Dr. Sweta Chawla:<\/span><\/h2>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Sweta Chawla PharmD, MS is a Former Professor of Pharmacy and Clinical and Residency Director turned Speaker, Facilitator &amp; Leadership Coach and Author. She supports organizations, highly driven professionals, budding creatives and entrepreneurs to reinvent how they work and lead.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Through her natural leadership model, she empowers her clients to create personal structures that leverage their natural brilliance. As a result they\u00a0 experience more passion, impact and meaning without compromising their integrity and well-being.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Dr. Sweta is the author of the book <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Still-Havent-Found-What-Looking\/dp\/1499217765\/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&amp;qid=1570999470&amp;sr=8-1-fkmr0\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">I Still Haven\u2019t Found What I\u2019m Looking For\u2026Now What?<\/a> and contributor to the award-winning Anthology <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Shes-Got-This-Essays-Standing\/dp\/1733523707\/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&amp;qid=1570999407&amp;sr=8-2\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">She\u2019s Got This: Essays on Standing Strong and Moving On<\/a>. She has published articles and essays in several journals, magazines and has spoken on many stages and panels, including the White House.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">To\u00a0 learn more, connect with Dr. Sweta on <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/drswetachawla\/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">LinkedIn<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> and <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/drswetachawla\/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Instagram<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">.<\/span><\/p>\n<h3>Mentioned In This Episode:<\/h3>\n<ul>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><a href=\"https:\/\/drswetachawla.com\/hope\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Find more resources on Dr. Sweta\u2019s website<\/span><\/a><\/li>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.expertinhope.com\/my-philosophy-in-all-the-words\/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">My Philosophy blog post<\/span><\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.expertinhope.com\/wellness-webinars\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Wellness Webinar<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/expertinhope.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Expert in Hope<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h2><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Transcription:<\/span><\/h2>\n<p><strong>SUMMARY KEYWORDS<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>hope, life, curiosity, reinvent, action, people, leadership, feel, values, coach, reinvention, create, burnout, Dr. Sweta, guarantee, community, book, pharmacy, thought, chawla<\/p>\n<p><strong>SPEAKERS<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Dr. Sweta Chawla, Lindsay Recknell<\/p>\n<p><strong>Lindsay Recknell\u00a0 <\/strong>00:03<\/p>\n<p>Hello and Welcome to Season 10 of the hope motivates action podcast. I&#8217;m your host, Lindsay Recknell, and workplace mental health professional speaker podcaster and an expert in hope. Bringing you these episodes with these incredible guests is my absolute favorite. I am so grateful for the privilege to share stories of transformation, and to help you move through your own transformation with our one on one work together. And with the help of the professionals who come on the show. The signs of hope and positive psychology has had such a huge impact on me and my work. So I love that I also get to share knowledge, research and stories from the evidence based science as well. It is my sincere wish that you hear something that resonates with you in these episodes, that you feel that contagious power of hope and you are motivated to take action over what you can control all towards creating a future better than today. I have such a passion for this work and I love connecting with my clients with you my listeners and with the guests on this show to help create transformation.\u00a0 This week on the podcast I have yet another delightful human to introduce you to Dr Sweta Chawla is a former professor of pharmacy, and clinical and residency director turned speaker, facilitator, leadership coach and author. She supports organizations highly driven professionals budding creatives and entrepreneurs to reinvent how they work and lead. Through her natural leadership model she empowers her clients to create personal structures that leverage their natural brilliance. As a result, they experienced more passion impacted meaning without compromising their integrity and well being. Dr. Sweta is the author of the book, I Still Haven&#8217;t Found What I&#8217;m Looking For&#8230;Now What? and contributing to the award winning anthology. She&#8217;s Got This: Essays on Standing Strong and Moving On. She has published articles and essays in several journals, magazines, and has spoken on many stages and panels, including at the White House. So let&#8217;s get to her. Hello Dr. Sweta, nice to see you. Welcome to the show.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dr. Sweta Chawla\u00a0 <\/strong>01:58<\/p>\n<p>So happy to be here today. I cannot wait to talk about hope and action.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Lindsay Recknell\u00a0 <\/strong>02:03<\/p>\n<p>I mean, those are my favorite topics. So let&#8217;s just dive right into it. I would love for you to share with the audience, who you are and how you use hope to motivate action in your life.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dr. Sweta Chawla\u00a0 <\/strong>02:14<\/p>\n<p>Oh, okay, so my name is Dr. Sweta Chawla. And I am a leadership coach, I used to be a Professor of Pharmacy and a clinical director. And I work with highly different driven professionals. And hope is such an essential part of helping them to reinvent how they do work and life. And that&#8217;s just what are credibly passionate about.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Lindsay Recknell\u00a0 <\/strong>02:38<\/p>\n<p>you are totally right. I mean, you can&#8217;t have hope, without action, or I don&#8217;t believe that hope is as strong without the action. In fact, hope without action is just a wish, if you ask me. So tell us tell us a little bit about your origin story. Because how I mean, how did you get from being in pharmaceutical to being a leadership coach?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dr. Sweta Chawla\u00a0 <\/strong>03:01<\/p>\n<p>Yeah, that&#8217;s quite a bit of a story. And it comes from that word of reinvention, right. Like, that&#8217;s the biggest part, especially right now, these current times where we&#8217;re going through this, like Great Awakening, right, this great resignation. And I think a lot of people are thinking about how to reinvent themselves. And so I think it would be helpful to share a little bit about how I went through that journey myself. So I, you know, grew up on the East Coast, you know, in an Asian family, where, you know, the message is, you know, get a good education, follow all the steps, I think a lot of people who are listening have heard, you know, had this, you don&#8217;t have to be an immigrant or to be in the East Coast. You follow all the right steps to success, you know, you have a plan and you create opportunity for yourself. And I follow those steps. So I right out of high school, I went into a six year Doctor pharmacy program, I did a residency afterwards, right out of that residency program, I became a professor and I was a professor for 10 years. And I have to tell you, I actually really loved my work initially. But I&#8217;d say around year three, I started to have kind of, you know, some questions about like, Is this really what I&#8217;m supposed to be doing? But it wasn&#8217;t bad enough to make a change. And so I, you know, pushed through and I kept going through and then I had a sabbatical when I was in year seven. And I took that opportunity to give myself, you know, some, you know, just a, you know, space to actually think about like, well, what is it that I would really want to do? And to me, that&#8217;s a big part of hope is giving yourself some space to actually reflect on what is it that you care about? What is what is it that you&#8217;re feeling right now? Because I think so many of us, especially after the pandemic, we&#8217;re just in survival mode, right? But then, you know, there comes this other, you know, external experience that&#8217;s like Well, is it sustainable? Can I keep continuing this way? And with that space, I started, I did something that I would have never done. So talk about action, which is I followed my curiosity. I didn&#8217;t try to, you know, think about the end goal of like, what would give me success? What would give me security, I actually just followed curiosity. And my curiosity led me to apply for Doctors Without Borders. I don&#8217;t know why. But I just did. And when I went for that interview, it was the most enlightening experience, because, you know, if you&#8217;re gonna put your life at risk, they&#8217;re going to ask you some deep questions. And these were questions that I like, I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever been asked to me, you know, I and I don&#8217;t even remember specifically what the questions were. But all I remember was my answer. And my answer was, I kept on saying, I want to be part of something bigger. And I just kept on saying that I didn&#8217;t know what it meant. But fast forward, several years later, I ended up writing a book and my book, you know, I have a framework in it, which is called make your world bigger. And that space in that time, and just being in those reflection questions helped me to think about, well, how do I want my work to be, you know, I wasn&#8217;t in a place where I was ready to leave, that wasn&#8217;t something that I was looking at at that time. But it did make me feel like I had some I could, I could hope for something that was more life giving within what I had. And so I came back from my sabbatical with this completely, like renewed way of how I looked at work. And I thought about what gave me you know, what, where was my passion, where what made me feel more alive. And I realized that in my work, as a professor, you know, the beautiful thing about that job was that I was, you know, I had a lot of variety. So there was like, I could work with students, I could do clinical things, I could do academic things. And as you kind of climb the ladder, it became more of the institutional, academic things. And those were not the things that led me out. It was it was more of the working with the students and creating projects and doing things in the community. And, by my surprise, I got an opportunity to do a mission trip through the university when there was an earthquake in Haiti. And what that taught me was that my curiosity was guiding me towards, like, what is the what is the possibility for what my life has, for me, what is the thing that will most fulfill me what would most serve, and it wasn&#8217;t, you know, I couldn&#8217;t see it, I couldn&#8217;t see what that looked like, right. But by following it, it&#8217;s almost like it planted a seed. And in that seed, it helped me to recognize when that opportunity was going to come, and then you know, that I could take action on it. And I, you know, loved I like, my everything, everything was the same in my circumstances. But my passion and my love for my work renewed. until several years later, right, several years later, so I came back from sabbatical, I did that work, I mean, I was Excel, I was in that was a beautiful thing to like, I was excelling with what I love to do to like, I was getting awards and all sorts of things, whatnot. And then I actually thought, like, I was going to leave pharmacy and become like, you know, do mission trips, like, I was, like, this is this is it, this is what I&#8217;m going to do.\u00a0 And then I got pregnant. And I was like, I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;m gonna be traveling around like, you know, unstable areas around the country, you know, when I when I have a child, and so I, you know, went back to kind of like that practical way of thinking, the security and whatnot, you know, whatever. And I ended up giving premature birth to my son. And that was a real big another, like, you know, moments of like, why am I doing all of this? Right? It makes you ask those deeper questions. And, and then I went back, after maternity leave, I applied for a promotion that I thought I was a shoo in for because I was getting so many accolades. I didn&#8217;t get it. And that really, really put the pressure on of like, what is all of this for? And this time, I went back to asking those deeper questions, but committing to that being a lifestyle, not just a moment to get me through, you know, I started working with a coach. And I started to make that a practice for me so that I wouldn&#8217;t keep coming back to this place of asking myself, why am I here? So I&#8217;m gonna pause there. Oh,<\/p>\n<p><strong>Lindsay Recknell\u00a0 <\/strong>09:42<\/p>\n<p>it&#8217;s such a beautiful story. And I love as soon as you said the word curiosity, I just got chills because I that is one of the my core one of my core values, especially over the last five years of doing this work. Curiosity has come up again and again and again and it is a real driver of looking for opportunity just like you Say it when when curiosity becomes the, at the forefront, when it becomes, for me the driver of decision, the driver of action, I just feel like the opportunities get so much bolder. And it&#8217;s probably just because I&#8217;m noticing them more. But when I, they, the opportunities just become so much bolder and bigger and prevalent. And it feels like that&#8217;s the same way the same the same thing for you. And it&#8217;s guided you to a place where I feel like now you&#8217;re doing work that feels aligned to your bigger purpose in life. Is that, is that where you&#8217;re at now?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dr. Sweta Chawla\u00a0 <\/strong>10:46<\/p>\n<p>Yeah, you know, and I wanted to pause because I know, I realized that I didn&#8217;t actually tell you how I became a leadership coach, but I wanted to emphasize that piece of it, you know, that piece of the like, the lifestyle of curiosity, right, you know, and how important that was to be making, you know, having this reinvention in this transformation? And, you know, so yes, absolutely, that, that the coaching experience that I had, you know, one thing that I read realized was that, during my journey, there was always this feeling of like, my circumstances are not helping me to thrive. And I kept trying to intellectually, you know, think about how can I make things better, I work with really smart people. And that becomes a problem when you&#8217;re trying to reinvent your life and work for more fulfillment, and more joy and more ease and more passion, which is what a lot of my clients are looking for. And so, you know, it was that, that piece of being able to really look at how to show up in life and in the world in a different way. And so through my getting, you know, what I really needed was support, like, I didn&#8217;t need more intelligence, what I really needed was support, to help me to be able to drop down into my heart space, ask those questions, connect within deeper that I think come with curiosity, that also come with courage. You know, a lot of people think that they need confidence to take action. But I really believe what they need is courage. And, you know, courage comes from the heart courage, we think of courage as a very like forward moving action, strong, you know, energy virtue, right. But courage comes from the word core, the French word quarter, which is from the heart. And so this idea of like, the answers were in my heart, and that if I followed them that that would actually bring me towards what I exactly what I needed, and what I needed to create for myself and for other people was like, such a new experience, you know, and it took me on a windy journey. I mean, I didn&#8217;t like come out, well, yes. And no, like, I did come out saying like, okay, maybe I need to be a coach. Because when I got coached, I was like, this is coaching. I&#8217;ve done this my whole entire life. You know, you can always do for other people, you can always do it for yourself. But there was a long period of like, just my remember, my coach asked me like, what&#8217;s your dream? And I remember, I was like, So New York, East Coast, like, I don&#8217;t got time to dream, I got a J. OB, you know, and that&#8217;s when that&#8217;s when she helped me to be able to, like, get into my heart. She was like your Nam and I was like, Okay, well, how do I get a numb? You know, and it was it it came from following those curiosities. It literally came from making a list. And this is the action like it doesn&#8217;t have to be big, huge, bold action, like the action was just get curious about what where your interests are, what feels good to you. And I literally had to make a log, I made a vlog of like, and it was the smallest things, you know, it was like I heard I read a sentence in a book. I heard a jingle on TV, you know, and it was like these things slowly started to open my heart and I went from having no dreams to only dreams within pharmacy to much bigger dreams. And for me, and I might be jumping ahead but that to me is the definition of hope is like being able to see possibility. And the thing that brings us to be able to actualize those possibilities is a leadership mindset. You know, it&#8217;s the leadership mindset to me like in I had a lot when I first got the you know, download that I was meant to be a leadership coach, you know, after a windy road like so first I started being a writer and then I started doing I was like in my life coach and my career coach, you know, in that and I just want to say that messy middle is part of the journey. Like if you&#8217;re in that space in your own reinvention, I want you to know like you&#8217;re not wrong. This is part of the process. Listen part of the journey, because it&#8217;s a new way of approaching things. It&#8217;s not a five step plan, like I go to college, I check all these lists. And I get here, when you&#8217;re following your heart when you&#8217;re moving towards reinventing towards having more fulfillment and passion and purpose. It&#8217;s a different path, you know, but it, it will get you there as long as you keep following those curiosities. And you keep having that leadership mindset, which is, how do I move towards those possibilities, even if I can&#8217;t guarantee or see what the form is. And so when I first got my download that I wanted to be a leadership coach, I felt everything but a leader, like I didn&#8217;t have a title, I wasn&#8217;t the breadwinner anymore. You know, we downsized our lifestyle. I was like, how am I a leadership coach? And, you know, and then I realized, like, Oh, I&#8217;m supposed to redefine what leadership means, you know, and that leadership is not the title. It&#8217;s not the externals, but it&#8217;s really about how are you being led. And to me, that&#8217;s what curiosity offers.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Lindsay Recknell\u00a0 <\/strong>15:57<\/p>\n<p>So it just, it makes me feel so good to hear you speak because I am imagining the listeners who are hearing your words and internalizing and them and going, Oh, I think I might be able to do that. I feel like I have that little tiny spark of courage deep in my heart to be able to take those steps. There&#8217;s also something I&#8217;m imagining that the fine folks listening are saying is, I have a gob, I have a standard of life, I&#8217;d like to continue living it. And oh, by the way, I&#8217;m in my mid life, what the heck do I do with all of this stuff, all of this position that I&#8217;m in? How can I give all that up? How can I possibly give all that up? What&#8217;s your answer to that?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dr. Sweta Chawla\u00a0 <\/strong>16:46<\/p>\n<p>That&#8217;s a really good question. And I think that it&#8217;s about getting really honest about what truly fulfills you. You know, and this was really surprising to me, because one of the I have a book and there is a link that I have doctors with a Chela backslash home, where I put a bunch of resources, like actual exercises that people can do. And then if you want to opt in, you can opt in to download my book. But one of the actions in my book, it was you know, is about really remembering a time where you felt deeply fulfilled and connected. And when I did that exercise for myself, I was kind of surprised, but not surprised. It was when I went on a trip to Peru. I spent three weeks in Peru when I was around 24 years old. And I mean, I was really naive at that time. So I, you know, packed a bunch of like, skirts and high heels. And if you ever been to Cusco, Peru, it&#8217;s like a mountain and it&#8217;s like always cold. And it&#8217;s like a place to go hiking. And it was just, and I lived with a family where I took Spanish lessons. And my conditions were no hot water, the windows were cracked open. It was like really cold. I had bedbug bites, I wear the same clothes almost every day, because I only had two pairs of jeans. And that&#8217;s when I was my happiest. And when I realized, like when I was like, Why was I so happy. And it was because I you know, you talked about core values, I felt connected, and I felt free. And connection is one of my deep core values. And I think that for you know, for me and I&#8217;m is that like, I thought that I would feel connection from having a certain status in life. Right? If I had the titles, if I had the accomplishment if I had the house, then people would see me a certain way. And I would feel that connection. And I&#8217;m not saying that you need to give up the lifestyle that you want or that you have, you know, but what I&#8217;m saying is to take a moment to really ask yourself, if that lifestyle, if it&#8217;s those things in those lifestyles, that are really giving you the fulfillment that you want, you know, and it doesn&#8217;t have to be an either or, like you don&#8217;t have to give up everything. And you also don&#8217;t have to hustle to maintain a lifestyle that really doesn&#8217;t fulfill you either. Like you can pick and choose, right, you can pick and choose. And when you like we&#8217;ve downsized we live like I we have a New York City condo looking the New York City skyline, you know, and to me that was like, wow, like that was gold. And I&#8217;m so grateful for that experience.\u00a0 I will never say that. That wasn&#8217;t amazing. But I was in a period in my life where I was really looking for this community. And I really wanted to be in nature. So we live in a smaller apartment, but my you know, I like my everything is within a square mile. You know what I mean? Like my son&#8217;s school, the gym, the community and I walked down the street ice Say hi to people, I know a lot of people in the community. So for me the quote unquote payoff for the downsize was worth it. And that&#8217;s an individual decision that every listener will have to make for themselves, but the belief that I have to suffer, or I have to, like, maintain what I don&#8217;t want, so that I can have this is a very black and white way of thinking that doesn&#8217;t really serve. And so coming back to possibility, you know, how what&#8217;s you know, can you live in the possibility of both? And, you know, how can I have both, and to me, that comes to another, you know, value that is really, I think, helpful when you&#8217;re wanting to, you know, uplevel and reinvent your life is creativity. Right? You know, you get you get creative. And suddenly these solutions that you never really imagined become possible.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Lindsay Recknell\u00a0 <\/strong>20:53<\/p>\n<p>You are saying all the words, no wonder we&#8217;re so aligned, because I have this, I have this blog post, and it&#8217;s called my philosophy. And it talks about my five core values, hope, confidence, courage, tenacity, and creativity. Ah, there you go. All five of those words, in our 20 minutes together already? Amazing.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dr. Sweta Chawla\u00a0 <\/strong>21:16<\/p>\n<p>No, I&#8217;m gonna pause there, because I think that what you just mentioned right now is really important. Because one of the things that I see a lot of my clients struggle with is decision making. And they want to know if they are courageous, and they take the risks that they want to take. Will it pay off? Like you were saying, right, like, well, if I give up my lifestyle, but then I&#8217;m not like happy with what I create? Would it have been worth giving that up? And one of the most surefire ways to know that you&#8217;re making the right choice is that is that choice aligned with your values? You know, and like what I said, one of the things that I was looking for creating in my life was more community. And when we moved out here, I mean, the minute we moved out here, I felt community, there was no amount there was no, not even like a day of feeling lonely. You know, you and I were talking about how, like, why have these sparkles in my hair, I don&#8217;t know, people gonna watch these videos, but that I just went to, like, you know, an Easter experience at my friend&#8217;s church. She&#8217;s a pastor. And the day that I arrived, she said, Come to a birthday party for my son, you know, and that weekend, like she, like, my son was able to my husband, I were actually able to celebrate our anniversary, because my son had his first sleepover. And I shared this with us, because, like, our values are really aligned. I also ended up at a Christian church, I&#8217;m not Christian, but they have their values upfront, and their values were creativity, storytelling community, right. And so I knew I was in the right place. And, and it was the right choice for me that ended up healing, you know, a huge wound that I had around belonging, you know, and then later on, like, right now, I&#8217;m a mentor to co working space. And when I joined that co working space, none of it made sense, right. But their values were creativity, community and kindness. And so when it comes to taking action, one of the best actions towards creating a life full of more hope is to really get clear on what your values are. And so those hard decisions of you know, is it worth me giving up this or that you can feel safety that,<\/p>\n<p><strong>Lindsay Recknell\u00a0 <\/strong>23:23<\/p>\n<p>Oh, I love the discussion about values, because I, it&#8217;s always deciding on values has always felt really hard to me. And I don&#8217;t know why that is. But it&#8217;s always felt really hard to meet. And so I&#8217;ve sought out guests on the podcast that could come on the show and talk about those values from a place of curiosity so that I could learn more, and I&#8217;ll link to a couple of the episodes in the show notes like Lindsey Howell cadettes comes to mind. Tracy Brunson comes to mind. So these, some of these fine folks like yourself who are doing values work, I think is so so important. Because it kind of, I don&#8217;t know, doesn&#8217;t ground us, it gives us something to to make decisions against. It helps us to identify people who are like minded. And, you know, that is that warm introduction already. I mean, heck, it&#8217;s a point of conversation, right? So you know, like, you know, people say it&#8217;s really hard to make adults or to make friends as adults. Or we could say, hey, talk to your sweater, what&#8217;s your value? You know, what are your top three values in life? And already, you&#8217;ve got something to talk about? So I think, yeah, it&#8217;s that word. And that experience keeps coming up, which I think is very, very cool and has a lot to do with hope, because so my definition of hope is that the future will be better than today, by taking action over the things we can control. And one of the things we can control is that self awareness, self reflection, identification of what&#8217;s important to us and what our priorities are, and then take action to use those in opportunistic ways and curious ways, creative ways to find more people that we can build community with or become aligned with and things like that. So I think, yeah, I think values is under underutilized. And I love that. Yeah, I love that so much of the conversation these days is coming up in that way.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dr. Sweta Chawla\u00a0 <\/strong>25:21<\/p>\n<p>Yeah, and it also helps us navigate the unknown, you know, and we&#8217;re in this period of just so much unknown. And I think the things that we thought we could rely on, we can&#8217;t. And it&#8217;s really an opportunity for us, I think, a collective reckoning, which, which we all need of going within, and really being able to use our own internal, you know, just system as our navigation. Yeah, towards taking the actions that will really help us to, you know, have the impact, have the passion, have the meaning have whatever it is that we&#8217;re seeking,<\/p>\n<p><strong>Lindsay Recknell\u00a0 <\/strong>26:03<\/p>\n<p>one of the things you talked about was the idea of a guarantee, almost that clients will come to you and say, what guarantee do I have that when I follow my heart to my passion, it&#8217;s a hug and a turnout. Right? That goes back to for me, it goes back to working with really smart people that have to get out of their head and into their heart. Yes. Is that the experience of that you try to help your clients to navigate?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dr. Sweta Chawla\u00a0 <\/strong>26:32<\/p>\n<p>Absolutely. So I guess my first question is, has the guarantee actually, if you&#8217;ve had a guarantee, and you&#8217;ve made decisions based on a guarantee, based on following the plan, right, doing the analysis, would you be where you are right now? Looking to reinvent? Right? Yeah, like not to throw it away, not to throw it away, you know, but I do feel like outcomes and results are important. But it&#8217;s not the only part of the story. And a lot of the people that you know, usually when you&#8217;re looking to reinvent, it&#8217;s because something&#8217;s not going right. And it&#8217;s usually because you&#8217;re being asked to be courageous, to do something different, and to do something new. And that&#8217;s why a lot of people say to me that they want the confidence, right? They want that they want that&#8217;s the end, I think it&#8217;s really that I&#8217;m scared to do something different. Right? So let&#8217;s like really call it what it is. It&#8217;s that that desire for security, and the misbelief, that the security comes from a guarantee. But true, some true true security comes from self security. And when you are able to show up in life, knowing that whatever happens to you, whatever outcome happens, that you have the capacity, the support, and the resources to be able to respond to it. That will give you confidence. And to me, that&#8217;s what a leadership mindset is all about. A leadership mindset is about not It&#8217;s not needing the outcome to determine your worthiness. Right? Leaders, great leaders fail all the time, and they don&#8217;t make it about their self worth. They get that that&#8217;s just part of life. That was like a hard lesson for me to let the light really get because I had been such a perfectionist. And it was in a perfectionist things all or nothing, you know, a perfectionist is looking for 100% And when that&#8217;s what you&#8217;re looking for your audit, you&#8217;re you&#8217;re setting yourself up for guaranteed disappointment. But when you go in knowing sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn&#8217;t work, but I can bet on myself that I&#8217;ll know how to be able to respond to it. And it&#8217;s not a reflection of who I am and that I didn&#8217;t do things right. But it&#8217;s actually just part of the process. And but I was able to take you know when you get to the end of your you know, people&#8217;s when you get to the end of your life sometimes that&#8217;s hard for me to imagine. I&#8217;m really you know, big about like visioning from like in short, short bursts because especially when you&#8217;re in reinvention like five months, five years, your end of your life that seems so big, so I&#8217;m just kind of like at the end of three months. You know, will you regret not taking an action on this thing that you&#8217;re curious about that&#8217;s calling you forward? Would it feel better to feel safe knowing that you haven&#8217;t you guaranteed that you will not have like more joy, more passion, more impact? So it really takes that mind shift about how you See security<\/p>\n<p><strong>Lindsay Recknell\u00a0 <\/strong>30:03<\/p>\n<p>so beautiful, so, Dr. Sweta, what gives you hope?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dr. Sweta Chawla\u00a0 <\/strong>30:08<\/p>\n<p>The thing that gives me hope as possibility, you know, just really the the beauty of that we as humans are creators, that we can create something from nothing, you know, like, you know, a man and a woman, they come together, they create a baby, right? And it&#8217;s like, we all have that ability within us, like we can create from nothing. So no matter where you are, you know, and look, I&#8217;m not going to diminish it, some of us are going through some really hard circumstances. But if you remember that you are a creator, that suddenly opens up the gift of possibility. And when you take on that leadership mindset, that possibility becomes actualized in the world, and we as humans have that gift. It&#8217;s just so inspiring to me.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Lindsay Recknell\u00a0 <\/strong>31:04<\/p>\n<p>You are inspiring to me, You are a beautiful human. And I have enjoyed our conversation immensely. I can&#8217;t believe that we&#8217;re already coming to the end of our time together, could you please share with everyone how they can get a hold of you so they can hear more of your beautiful words<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dr. Sweta Chawla\u00a0 <\/strong>31:18<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0Absolutely. So you can find me at <a href=\"https:\/\/drswetachawla.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">https:\/\/drswetachawla.com<\/a>. And then my you know, I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ll put a link in there. My name on all social media sites on my website, and LinkedIn, Instagram. And as I mentioned, I&#8217;ve created a special link for all of your listeners, where it&#8217;s <a href=\"https:\/\/drswetachawla.com\/hope\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">https:\/\/drswetachawla.com\/hope<\/a>. And I&#8217;ve put several resources because one, you know, we talked a lot about reflection and taking the time to reflect on connecting to what it is, that is really true for you, right, not what you think will give you that security and that outcome that you&#8217;re looking for. So I have posted like something that&#8217;s three, a three month kind of, you know, planning PDF, a weekly reflection and planning tool, and then my book, which has 21 inquiries. So you got a lot of a lot of support that there to hopefully help you to take your hope and motivate you to put it into action.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Lindsay Recknell\u00a0 <\/strong>32:13<\/p>\n<p>Amazing. Thank you for your generosity of those resources. And you&#8217;re absolutely right, we will put the link to all the things into the show notes, and support and publish you everywhere. Because everybody needs to know you. Everybody needs to work with you. And everybody just needs to be in your community. Because you are a wonderful, amazing person. And it has been my absolute pleasure to connect with you today. Thank you so so much for joining us,<\/p>\n<p><strong>Dr. Sweta Chawla\u00a0 <\/strong>32:37<\/p>\n<p>Lindsay. It&#8217;s such an honor, I am so just grateful for this, this platform, the space that you&#8217;ve created to talk about something that&#8217;s so important and to bring these two, you know, often things that are seem to be like opposite, right, like hope and action. And to me, I think that&#8217;s the other reason why we really connect and resonate with that. It&#8217;s that whole both and like how can we have both. And so thank you so much for creating a space for that.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Lindsay Recknell\u00a0 <\/strong>33:02<\/p>\n<p>I love that both. And thank you again, and I will see you and talk to you again very, very soon. Yet another incredible story. I mean, I literally say that after every episode, but I wouldn&#8217;t publish episodes I didn&#8217;t think were incredible. Now what\u00a0 I mentioned in the introduction, that it&#8217;s my sincere privilege to share space with these guests to bring their stories and their expertise to the podcast airwaves. And honestly, I learned so much from their wisdom at the same time. That&#8217;s the thing about this work. It&#8217;s in the storytelling, the language we use to express our innermost narratives. That&#8217;s what has the most power of transformation. Sometimes when we don&#8217;t know the words to use, we just won&#8217;t say anything at all. And that can lead to negative rumination and the stressors in our lives can lead to burnout. The topic of burnout stress and why the differences between the two matter is something we talk a lot about in my most popular training workshop titled from burnout to hope. In this 60 minute workshop, you&#8217;ll learn to apply evidence based strategies and tactics to reverse your feelings of overwhelm and languishing and activate the hope circuit in your brain for a future better than today. It&#8217;s transformational, personal, and dare I say, guaranteed to increase your hope levels. You&#8217;ve heard me say it 100 times. But I believe that fear is louder in the dark. And talking about loud about the fears, aspirations, and the anxiety inducing situations we find ourselves in is an amazing way to move towards the transformation of a future better than today. If you&#8217;d like to learn more about language, and how you can leverage the science of hope in your life, I&#8217;d love to share from burnout to hope training workshop with you. You can find more information about it on my website at expertinhope.com\/burnouttohope. I truly believe that the future will be better than today by taking action over the things we can control and conversations like this really reinforced that hope. Looking forward to keeping the conversation going. So reach out anytime. As always. I&#8217;m here when you need me.<\/p>\n<p>Transcribed by https:\/\/otter.ai<\/p>\n<p>Lindsay Recknell | <a href=\"http:\/\/www.expertinhope.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Expert in Hope<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/expertinhope\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Facebook<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/lindsay-recknell\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">LinkedIn<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/lindsayrecknell\/\">Insta<\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/lindsayrecknell\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">g<\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/lindsayrecknell\/\">ram<\/a><\/p>\n<p><!-- \/wp:paragraph --><!-- wp:paragraph --><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.expertinhope.com\/shop\/\">Take Hope Home!<\/a><\/p>\n<p><!-- \/wp:paragraph --><!-- wp:paragraph --><\/p>\n<p>Listen to this and all episodes of the Hope Motivates Action podcast wherever you listen to your favourite content.<\/p>\n<p><!-- \/wp:paragraph --><!-- wp:paragraph --><!-- \/wp:paragraph --><\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Dr. Sweta Chawla joins Lindsay on the podcast to discuss following your curiosity, creating opportunities for yourself, and finding the courage to take action.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":10550,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":[],"categories":[22,108],"tags":[263,27,200,431,37,25,433,432],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - 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